Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

I've switched over to https://thaura.ai, which is working on being a more ethical AI. A side effect I hadn't realized is missing the drama over the latest OpenAI changes.


What a bizarre product.

Weirdly political message and ethnic branding. I suppose "ethical AI" means models tuned to their biases instead of "Big Tech AI" biases. Or probably just a proxy to an existing API with a custom system prompt.

The least they could've done is check their generated slop images for typos ("STOP GENCCIDE" on the Plans page).

The whole thing reeks of the usual "AI" scam site. At best, it's profiting off of a difficult political situation. Given the links in your profile, you should be ashamed of doing the same and supporting this garbage.


I assure you it's not a scam. We work with them heavily at Tech for Palestine. Will send over your feedback, thanks!

What would be helpful to assuage your fears? Would you like more technical info, or perhaps a description of the "biases" used?


Thank you for the candid reply, and I apologize for my hostile tone.

To be honest, I don't think there's anything you/they can do, other than heavily rebrand or shut the project down. I find the entire premise of a commercial product and company branding themselves in support of (or in opposition to) a political situation morally deplorable. It is taking advantage of a current conflict and people's political leanings for their own financial gain. It doesn't matter if the people behind it are directly involved in the conflict or not—it's a cheap marketing ploy.

It would be no different if the "Big Tech AI" companies they criticize promoted their products in support of Israel with Jewish-friendly branding. Biases are one thing, but basing your entire product on them is entirely different. It is tasteless regardless of which side does it.

This is the first I've heard of it, but your Tech for Palestine endeavour gives off similar vibes. I'm sure you mean well, but this is not the way to help people going through a difficult time.

But then again, I'm just a rando on the internet. Good luck.


I see. Well, let me explain what this is about.

AI models represent society, and society has significant biases against certain groups, which find their way into the AI. One of those groups is Palestinians. In fact, Israel is currently running an influence operation [1] to make AIs significantly pro-Israel (which means in many cases inserting an Israeli narrative to cover up their long history of Crimes Against Humanity against Palestine, including the current genocide, but also the apartheid in Occupied Palestine).

Existing AI companies have shown significant bias not just against Palestine, but against basic internationally understood principles of human rights, and indeed are cozying up to the US war machine in meaningful ways. Many people around the world do not trust any of these companies as a result.

Our Ethical tech alternatives, including https://thaura.ai, are built to provide an ecosystem of alternatives to the heavily-controlled tech companies, many of whom are directly complicit in the genocide in Gaza (eg Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta), and many of whom suppress pro-humanity narratives because of biases towards Israel (esp Meta, but also LinkedIn, Youtube, X).

Another example is https://upscrolled.com, which is an alternative to Instagram and X, against built on basic humanitarian principles (which IG and X do not adhere to).

Hope this helps!

[1] https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-chatgpt/


Even the website design is 1:1 copied from Anthropic lol


Haha, yes, that's intentional. I used to use Claude every day and love their design, so I replicated it. But what I don't love about Claude is it taking money from Zionist VC and collaborating with pretty much anybody who is willing to make them a buck. Again, our whole point here is not to say their design sucks—it's their political stance and company mission that sucks.


Get them to put a call out of support for LGBTQ+ groups as well and I'll support them. Probably a hard sell to "ethical" people though...


Why would that be a hard sell?




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: