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I'm sorry you're saddled with an Intel Mac. The Apple Silicon Macs really changed everything. Clearly Apple is capable and willing of shipping extremely good and performant hardware, even though historically they haven't always done so. I do blame Intel for their monopoly on mediocraty for the late-10s Macbooks though.

Now put Linux on it. Just like new!

Have a wonderful time! The city changes so fast; make the most of what it is right now

And to most Hong Kongers (at least judging by the last local election after the 2019 protests), anone who collaborated with pro-mainland forces to kill one-country-two-systems and stifle the free speech guaranteed under the handover could be considered traitors. You know what would settle Hong Kong's status once and for all? Free and fair elections. Then the people could choose to align with the mainland, or not. But I have a hunch you wouldn't be so keen on that.

Hong Kongers would very much like to choose their own leadership. I understand that you're arguing from a mainland Chinese perspective, but in so doing you're ignoring the people who ought to have the most to say.

I used to have your viewpoint, but after reading Lee Kuan Yew, and after several hours of cross referencing various interviews with the pro-rioters/hk democracy, and pro-engagement/neutral hongkongers, I conclude that most of the pro-rioters like Joshua Wong/Jimmy Lai at large fail to articulate anything of value other than "I want to turn the system upside-down" , while pro-engagement/neutral people know they want upward social mobility and more government involvement in fixing the housing and employment crisis.

Good for you. But I didn't refer to any specific pro-democracy figure. I am advocating for free and open elections where everyone, pro-mainland or localist, can choose the direction of the city.

America doesn't speak for Hong Kong and many people don't want America sticking its nose deep into their business especially through someone breaking the law by acting as a pseudo-foreign agent.

The irony is that Trump getting involved in pressuring for the release of Jimmy Lai just makes him look even more like an American asset.


That's the tragedy of Hong Kong. They never got the sympathy of the mainland.

And I cannot escape the feeling that a lot of Americans believe that a democratic China would be friends with the US...


Who exactly is "friends" with the US at the moment? Maybe Israel?

In Trumps world it mostly seems you are either an asset or a liability. They do no want a multipolar world.


Who brought up America?

Minor blip? First one million people marching. Then a week later nearly two. Street battles between police and protesters supported by many thousands of people. I saw a video of a guy being shoved out of a high-rise window. No doubt that was ruled "suicide" too, but it never broke out as a news story. A protester was shot but not killed by police. It's a miracle more lives weren't lost. To say it was a "blip" betrays a profound lack of understanding and knowledge about the events.

The takeover was deftly executed, with the kind of patience only a government not concerned with elections can exhibit. While local elections came and went, and the opposition parties valiantly fought in the public sphere, the institutional takeover was slow but steady. That is the only way the pro-China powers in government were able to outlast and suppress the protests in 2019. The government faced unprecedented public opposition, but enough people at all levels of government feared for their livelihoods that neither the bureaucracy nor the police reached a critial mass of sympathizers.

Another crucial factor that's part of the CCP's victory in HK is that China inherited a police force essentially structured as a colonial occupying force. Police staff get benefits that include segregated housing (such as the West Kowoon Disciplined Services Quarters), which maintains morale in the ranks and allows those so inclined to live quite separately from the rest of the populace.


There was also quite a lot of cooperation for many years between the relevant organisations.

Where there's a will--or a law--there's a way. Hallelujah!

That's not the exact same image, though. It's a separate image, from the same time and place. The one released may have been in Epstein's possession and therefore part of the files. Either some DoJ drone just redacted all children and non-celebrities due to procedure, or it was deliberately done in such a way as to make Clinton and Jackson look suspicious. Whatever the reason, this was not a Getty stock image planted in the files.

You can see the erroneously redacted image here: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8r38ne1x2mo

I know what picture we're talking about. 1) it's not the same as the Getty stock image everyone seems to mistake it for. 2) we don't know if the redaction is erroneous or intentionally misleading, but either way the non-celebrity faces were redacted even though another image of them exists in the public domain. Probably easier to just apply a blanket policy when handling all these images rather than observing edge cases.

The redaction is a distraction. The concern is that it is from a charity event that is seemingly unrelated to Epstein

If Epstein had the photo in his possession, then that would explain why it's there!

It wasn’t erroneous. The DoJ said they were redacting the faces of all non-celebrity women and children under the presumption they could be victims.

In that case it makes perfect sense

As you say, it's not the same photo. If the one in the dump was in Epstein's possession, the reason for the redactions are either that some drone in the DOJ just redacted all children out of habit, or that it was deliberately done in such a way as to frame Clinton. I can't decide which I find more credible.

I think if it hadn't been those adults with the kids an alert staffer might have thought "whose kids are these, these aren't young teenage girls, I better double check" But Michael Jackson, kids, Clinton arms around him, Diana Ross with young male, they're thinking they walked into an armory filled with nothing but smoking guns!

>the reason for the redactions are either that some drone in the DOJ just redacted all children out of habit, or that it was deliberately done in such a way as to frame Clinton

They were supposed to redact all minors, not just "victims".


Everyone is distracted by the redaction policy discussion. The concern is that it is from a charity event that is seemingly unrelated to Epstein.

There’s no need to frame Clinton, there is plenty of evidence he was friends with and spent a lot of time with Epstein.

Similarly situation with Trump, for that matter.


It is perfectly possible, even common, to frame the guilty. It’s easier than finding real evidence.

Sure, but in this case there already is plenty of real evidence.

There is actually no evidence that isn't circumstantial. Or correct me if I'm wrong?

All the evidence I've seen is person A knew or spoke to Epstein. Where is the evidence linking any person to a specific sexual encounter?


The fact that someone has filed a patent doesn't mean that they have a workable idea, only that they can formulate and illustrate said idea and that it doesn't overlap with something that already exists.

Totally agree, a patent by itself doesn't prove something was built or used, just that the idea could be described and cleared prior art.

But are you saying none of those patents are even indirectly related to publicly documented programs like:

    1. Operation Sea-Spray (1950)
    2. Operation LAC (late 1950s–60s)
    3. Operation Dew (ZnCdS tests)
We know these tests only became public decades later through hearings and declassification. Given that history, it seems fair to ask how much related research or enabling tech might still be classified. Lack of a clear public link doesn't really prove there wasn't one - it may just mean it hasn't been disclosed yet.

All I'm saying is that pointing to patents as evidence isn't convincing in and of itself. Now you've brought up specific programs, which are at the very least evidence of their own existence. I think the hurdle is still massive to accept there is any kind of global-scale geoengeneering project afoot.

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