They are typically bigger at Nazare, but it all depends on the swell. Its not impossible for Mavericks to receive a swell that could create waves bigger than whatever Nazare has received in the last 20 years, but it's less likely.
However Mavericks is definitely the "nicer" and gnarlier wave of the two imho, Nazare is massive but has no shape, so they just surf the shoulder for 5 seconds and kick out. Mavericks has much nicer lines.
> apparently someone thinks it's a good and funny idea to make a big joke out of a company that ruined people, and this is about as much oxygen as i'm inclined to give it
As if Enron hasn't been the butt of about a million jokes for the last 25 years.
I'm not sure why it became popular to denigrate people for making jokes about bad things.
Mel Brooks has the point of view that there are some things that are so bad that the only appropriate response is to make jokes about it.
It's ok to not like jokes if you find the topic hurtful, jokes don't have to please everybody. Everyone deals with trauma in their own way
At the same time declaring the unacceptablity of a joke because people suffered is to presume how those people feel about it and manage that suffering. Many of those people will manage it with humour themselves.
OK Making a joke
OK Criticizing a joke
x Implying disdain for a joke
x Implying a joke should not be made
OK Implying disdain for a criticism
OK Implying a criticism should not be made
I'm the person who originally called out the response. The issue I had with it was related to the "Implying a joke should not be made", but one step further. It's this common pattern I feel like has popped up in the last 10 years with social media that I find really annoying and manipulative.
The person in the post was implying that the joke shouldn't be made because some theoretical person somewhere might be offended by it. They aren't saying they're offended by it because most people don't care if they offend some random person on the internet. Instead they try to find a group that is disadvantaged and frame their offense at the joke as a attempt to protect that group. They're trying to create a scenario where either you agree with them or you're punching down. It's manipulative and gross and it's become such a staple of social media debates that I don't even think people realize when they do that.
I would actually have no problem if that person said, "I think it's offensive to make jokes about Enron and you shouldn't do that", but that isn't what they did. They're essentially trying to guilt trip people into agreeing with their opinion.
I think I basically agree with you, it raises my hackles when I see rhetorical devices being used to push positions I disagree with, it feels transparently manipulative in a way that is disrespectful to the audience (me)
But I think that you're overlooking some of the specifics of Molly's post, and this particular joke.
Molly believes that memecoins are basically Ponzi schemes. So what she claims that this joke is in bad taste it is not just because it is making fun of a famous case of financial fraud which ruined people, but crucially because of the context of launching and promoting another financial fraud.
edit: in her own words
> fwiw i don't really have an issue with someone doing an enron parody for parody's sake
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> however i am concerned about a very suspiciously-timed memecoin that cropped up, and the possibility that this is all just a play to go viral to pump a token.
In general, I don't think you should distain or imply distain for much at all. Similarly dictating the actions of others should probably have a high bar.
If you are suggesting that I am implying distain for criticism or that critism should not be made, that was certainly not my intent. I would much rather question why it is happening, place it in context, and perhaps suggest alternatives, instead of taking a knee jerk "This is bad, you are bad" approach.
I think there is a difference between "I don't like the joke/topic" and "apparently..."
The latter points out the obvious (of course someone wanted to make the joke, it was made) simply to try to garner sympathy and paint the joke-teller in a negative light.
Do you mean that Molly is going too far by not just criticizing the joke, but also, by implication, criticizing the joke-teller?
If Molly had said "I don't think that this joke is funny, and it is in poor taste to make light of victims of accounting fraud" do you think that would have been better and wouldn't have implied anything about the joke-teller?
The BBC have a podcast called Sports Strangest Crimes. The most recent series was about Moses Sawbu who was match fixing in the lower leagues. Worth listening to it
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