Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | voytec's commentslogin

> Google shall not enter or maintain any agreement that

> (1) conditions the licensing of the Play Store or any other Google application on the distribution, preloading, or placement of Google Search, Chrome, Google Assistant, or the Gemini app anywhere on a device;

> (2) conditions the receipt of revenue share payments for the placement of one Google application (e.g., Search, Chrome, Google Assistant, or the Gemini app) on the placement of another such application;

> (3) conditions the receipt of revenue share payments on maintaining Google Search, Chrome, Google Assistant, or the Gemini app on any device, browser, or search access point for more than one year; or

> (4) prohibits any partner from simultaneously distributing any other GSE, browser, or GenAI product


> depositing a significant amount of electrical charge

Unsatisfying description but I guess we don't yet know if it's any close to 1.21 jigawatts.


With Netflix you pay for licenses and ongoing costs like bandwidth and maintenance.

A better analogy here is having to pay Microsoft for unlocking Windows NT/Server's ability to use more CPUs. Paid-for OS is already capable of it but this ability is "paywalled" due to greed.


> the country is the recipient of a huge amount of EU funds

What shaped Poland into something acceptable as a NATO member was USAID - the program Musk and Big Balls axed.

USAID allowed Poland to join NATO and later the EU. I've snatched the 188-pages long PDF[0] (English/Polish) before it was publicly erased.

[0] https://sysartist.com/usaid-and-the-polish-decade.pdf


> Taiwan, Japan, Poland, Canada, Spain, Australia, many others (...) have a great political and economic relationship with the US, and are currently at 0% risk of attack or invasion

I'm sorry, are you from the past? You literally listed Canada which Trump threatened with invasion.

The U.S. has no stable economic relationship with any country under the current administration and won't regain the trust for years or decades to come.

There's just these two quite different non-economic relations - not relationships - Israel and Russian Federation. The latter may even be Trump's hallucination but I'm giving him a benefit of the doubt. He finds common language with warmongering dictators.


Weaseling out of SLA/SLO payments.


> outage of a 3rd party service that is a key dependency.

Good to know that Cloudflare has services seemingly based on GCP with no redundancy.


Probably unintentional. "We just read this config from this URL at startup" can easily snowball into "if that URL is unavailable, this service will go down globally, and all running instances will fail to restart when the devops team try to do a pre-emptive rollback"


After reading about cloudflare infra in post mortems it has always been surprising how immature their stack is. Like they used to run their entire global control plane in a single failure domain.

Im not sure who is running the show there, but the whole thing seems kinda shoddy given cloudflares position as the backbone of a large portion of the internet.

I personally work at a place with less market cap than cloudflare and we were hit by the exact same instances (datacenter power went out) and had almost no downtime, whereas the entire cloudflare api was down for nearly a day.


Nice job keeping your app up during the outage but I'm not sure you can say "the whole thing seems kinda shoddy" when they're handling the amount of traffic they are.


What's the alternative here? Do you want them to replicate their infrastructure across different cloud providers with automatic fail-over? That sounds -- heck -- I don't know if modern devops is really up to that. It would probably cause more problems than it would solve...


They're a company that has to run their own datacenters, you'd expect them to not fall over when a public cloud does.


I was really surprised. The dependence on another enterprise’s cloud services in-general I think is risky, but pretty much everyone does it these days, but I didn’t expect them to be.


well at some level you can contract deploy private instances of clouds as well.


AWS has Outpost racks that let you run AWS instances and services in your own datacenter managed like the ones running in AWS datacenters. Neat but incredibly expensive.


> What's the alternative here? Do you want them to replicate their infrastructure

Cloudflare adverises themselves as _the_ redundancy / CDN provider. Don't ask me for an "alternative" but tell them to get their backend infra shit in order.


There are roughly 20-25 major IaaS providers in the world that should have close to dependency on each other. I'm almost certain that cloud flare believe that was their posture, and that the action items coming out of this post mortem will be to make sure that this is the case.


I would expect them to not rely on GCP at all


Google is an advertising company not a tech company. Do not rely on them performing anything critical that doesn't depend on ad revenue.


What does that make Amazon?


A cloud services company. AWS is much bigger than Amazon retail at this point.


Redundancy ≠ immune to failure.


Content Delivery Thread


Yeah. This service was presenting charts likely probed from inside GCP. I was on a call with a Google rep, someone pointed out that "AWS is also down" and I foolishly said something about "possible BGP attack" out of spite, before checking AWS availability myself. Shame on me.


Didn't have the feeling of a BGP issue, most services I was working with were reasonably quickly returning failures, as opposed to lingering death.


I love this kind of fake news. It's like that scene from Scary Movie (can't remember which one) in which someone says "I heard the japs took out one in Kikoman" :')


> Why can't companies be honest with being down

SLA agreements.


Any customer with enough leverage to negotiate meaningful SLA agreements will also have the leverage to insist that uptime is not derived from the absence of incidents on public-facing status pages.


Service level agreements agreements?


It's not about living like a caveman. You can enable 1st party JS without JS from 20 ad/tracking hosts.


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: