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Do the people who still want more tax cuts really think this can go on forever? It's really scary that deficits are going up while the market is booming. In the 90s at least the deficit went down during the bubble.


Depends if we plan on invading somewhere or not to my eye—it’s how our ridiculous level of defense spending will actually provide returns.


Defense spending is largely a jobs program. The only question is, if you're going to have a trillion dollar jobs program if the rate of return on investment isn't higher in e.g. infrastructure spending than defense.


If it's a jobs program then the money would be better spent in an FDR like manner - large infrastructure projects that support the economy, bridges, trains, internet etc.


That's questionable. Defense employs a lot of white collar workers in things like design and development of aircraft, weapons systems, satellites, SIGINT, etc. It's not clear that the same level of jobs would be there for an FDR-like program. Sure, the country's infrastructure would be better off and we would probably have more people employed per dollar, but I'm not sure the economy as a whole would be better off.


Presumably these white collar workers are valuable and employeeing them with confiscated money on a useless task is much worse for the economy than both the counterfactual in which the government does not bid for their labor and the one in which these resources are used to subsidize public goods such as basic science research and merit goods such as public infrastructure.


Again, I'm not convinced that's the case. You're implying that, for example, almost the entirety of the employees at Lockheed, Raytheon, Northrop, General Dynamics, etc. and a good chunk of the employees at companies like Boeing would somehow be redistributed into the broader economy at a similar compensation level. That's upwards of a million white collar workers. You can't magic all those people into the broader economy without serious impacts, and replacing the expenditure on their salaries with expenditure on things like basic research and public infrastructure does not equate to the same economic outcome. I'm pretty sure doing so would further stratify the economy by replacing solid middle class jobs with a few tech and research jobs and a lot of blue collar jobs.


It’d help correct inflated housing prices. Think of all the paper pushers with security clearances making $100k+


You realize that trains, bridges and internet were largely advanced out of military consideration?


They say it’s a lot easier to convince the public to spend cash on defense then bridges, because “the bridge next to my house is fine”.

Also, bridge-building does not produce GPS and Internet as byproduct. We wouldn’t have the means to have this conversation if defense money was spent on infrastructure improvement, and most likely we wouldn’t have our jobs either.


It's also a geopolitical strategy. Even if that spending is rarely ever actualized in an armed conflict, the threat to do so still exists from the perspective of other countries. It's debatable how effective that is, but it's disingenuous to say it's just done for jobs or making contractors rich.


I agree some spending makes sense. The F-35 program does not give me a lot of encouragement we’re investing in good places.


You could probably read through the speeches of some historical dictators to find a good way to express the idea of "the real politics is what things fall apart in to when order breaks down." Sure, the national debt exists on one level higher than the stuff the defense spending is buying, but so is our trade with other countries and most of our livelihoods. If the civility of our relationship with, say, China breaks down to the point that it's obvious we won't pay our debts, a lot of other things will break down along with it - perhaps enough to qualify as a gigantic disaster.

The US will be able to keep foreign soldiers off its territory but you and I could be out on the streets with a whole lot less.


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The last few invasions have not exactly helped with the deficit, have they?


Invade to spend trillions more on that country? No thanks. Gone are the "to the winner go the spoils" days. Frankly, I think we're blamed for the deaths and mess in Iraq and maybe Libya (not invaded but...). Democracy is great, in theory, in reality they have seen their lives turned upside down.


It all depends on perspective. If you’re friends with a bunch of defense contractors, war could spell good times for you. Hanging out around DC gives me the impression there are quite a few defense contractors.


Extremely unlikely that we would unilaterally invade another country under President Trump. That Bush-era hawkish interventionist doctrine is pretty much dead. The diplomacy with North Korea is a good example of the new way. I'm quite certain that we would be fighting some kind of conflict with them if people like Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney were in the White House today.

Say what you want about Trump and his policies but the America-focused policies of his administration aren't going to squander this economy by starting a new fraudulent and unnecessary war on the other side of the world.


The US National Security Advisor (and at one time potential Secretary of State)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton#Political_posit...


>like Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney

John Bolton is exactly like those 2 and he's the National Security Advisor.


> I'm quite certain that we would be fighting some kind of conflict with them if people like Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney were in the White House today.

Did they discover oil since the last time Wolfowitz was in a position if influence. Because that was expressly cited as the reason Iraq was invaded and North Korea not then, by Wolfowitz.

GWBush-era foreign policy had the kind of focus on domestic economic interests that Trump pretends to have, the main difference is that it had some substantive coherence rather than focus only as a PR veneer over a group of incompetently managed competing interests seeking personal advantage. That's not to say the say the execution of Bush foreign policy wasn't grossly incompetent, but and it's formulation wasn't grossly immoral, to be sure.

Now, Venezuela might be a target of active intervention if the Bush team were still in charge.


Venezuela has generally been in crisis in the 20th (and start of the 21st century).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_crisis_(disambigu...

If the US hadn't brokered a debt repayment deal by threatening naval force against Britain, Germany, and Italy's blockade in 1903, there would likely still be a European-controlled port in Venezuela.


I actually would like spending cuts to go along with tax cuts. The deficit certainly matters, but raising taxes isn’t the only way to address it.


It's not a taxing problem, it's a spending problem.


Somehow it seems the anti tax people always stop at cutting taxes and never get to the cutting spending part. Looking at Reagan, Bush and now Trump they even increase spending substantially with the military.


The other side of that coin is that high tax people always want more spending.


So do the tax cutters as soon as they are in power.


In a democracy the electorate must be bribed with there own money. It is in practice nearly impossible to cut spending in any way that matters if you want to stay in office. I suspect there we are just stuck in an equilibrium in which this is what we spend.


If that's the case then you can't cut taxes. Simple arithmetic still applies if people like it or not.


Two sides of the same coin.


I don't agree with how our taxes are spent, and I don't agree that we're being taxed for said expenses.




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