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I never denied that it was NIMBY-ish or elitist. I get it. It's elitist and its exclusive. But shit, I've put in effort and my own time,sweat,gas money, etc. to improve and maintain trails and crags. I don't like it all getting wrecked by inconsiderate jerks who litter. Furthermore, elitism regarding hiding local trails from crowd-sourcing sites is vastly different than, oh idk, elitism about college applicant acceptance or some such.

As for traveling to experience the outdoors, you are so far off the mark that it's not even funny. I've been to and hiked/backpacked/camped in, uhh hold on while I count... 16 different national parks and monuments, 7 state parks, 2 national preserves, and 8 national forests across 6 states, and that's just in the past 3 years.

I've climbed in Bishop, Josh, Yos, Red rocks, Tahoe, Squish, "the Creek", NRG, and the Gunks, among many other smaller crags. Why would you even make the assumption I've never traveled?



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