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"I think it's important to distinguish mass surveillance from targeted surveillance. They present very different threat models."

Targeted attacks against centralized points that enable wide-scale surveillance are mass surveillance. Imagine NSA would claim "A fiber optic splitter in the bottom of the ocean is a targeted attack against one device (repeater), or one inch segment of glass wire, it's not mass surveillance".

It's vital that we define targeted surveillance as something where the target is a single entity. Hacking Moxie's phone is targeted surveillance. Hacking Signal server is not. Hacking every visitor of a CP site is mass surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/09/playpen-story-fbis-unp...

"You might want to look at their in-progress P2P work."

It will be a nice to have sure, but I think P2P should work exclusively via Tor if you want to hide metadata. wrt that, you might find my work interesting https://github.com/maqp/tfc

"Briar fails unless you only talk to people using smartphones."

A picture is worth a thousand words

https://twitter.com/Amlk_B/status/1286642831239647232/photo/...

"MoxieTalk fails because it exposes people to mass surveillance."

Jabs like these aren't really appreciated. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.



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