Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax.
There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear.
I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home. In a brief look at the BMJ paper I did not see that claim, and besides I think such a dramatic incident would have made a much bigger splash in the news.
> 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot.
Ouch. I would suspect some procedural error there, but who knows?
Back to Norway. I searched a bit more for articles about the 23. No evidence they were concentrated like that. All of them were over 80, most over 90, all of them were extremely frail to begin with. In those circumstances, it is to be expected that many would die under any circumstance, and for sure, the side effects of the vaccine may have pushed some over the edge. As of 23 February, the number has risen to 102. Health authorities keep a close eye on these numbers, of course, but still see no reason for alarm.
> I think it is safe to say anyone who claims no one has died after receiving the shot is not being honest.
Not honest, or not thinking it through. In the discussion elsewhere in this thread, there seems to be some confusion due to the fact that someone is talking only about those enrolled in the trials, while others are talking about all vaccinated people.
What good does this make the vaccines? Aren't the vaccines only really desirable for the elderly? The risk factors for the disease are mainly age and underlying comorbidities, but if the same people aren't receiving it well? On top of the MRNA having no claims yet that it prevents transmission.
No, there aren't. We're vaccinating at a massive scale in the US, concentrating on the elderly, and the events you're talking about simply aren't happening.
In the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting.
Out of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000?
Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths caused by the shot until later.
The media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?
The only reasonable and fair interpretation of TFA's statement is there have been no deaths from covid in the vaccinated population. It's obviously not proof against death, and it might even have a tiny inherent risk itself.
Do you have contradictory information about covid hospitalizations/deaths in the vaccinated population?
"Preliminary results from a study in Scotland found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced hospital admissions by up to 85% four weeks after the first dose, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot cut admissions by up to 94%."
85% and 94% are not 100%. QED.
Also, read carefully the quote. It is talking about the (few thousand) people enrolled in the non-placebo arm of the trials, not everyone receiving the vaccine. The claim made in the GP was vastly broader and unsupported.
That's not referencing hospitalizations among those that have received the vaccine. That's talking about a total reduction in hospital admissions among the general population, many of which had yet to receive a vaccination.
In the context of the article, the implication of that sentence was "there has not been a single death or hospitalization [from covid]". I thought that would also be clear from the context of this thread, but maybe not.
We're talking about tens of millions (soon billions) of doses. I'm sure there will be some bad reactions, but there's definitely going to be a lot of simple coincidences too. I'm sure I don't need to repost the XKCD on correlation/causation here.
>Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated.
The statement clearly says, since the date when trials began, there have been no deaths among all people who received the shot. This is obviously an untrue statement and misinformation.
Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax.
Do you have a cite?