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We lost both Iraq and Afganistan, I dont know why you think we won either of those wars?


In Iraq leadership was killed democracy installed and oil wells secured. Enemy turned into an ally.

In Afganistan the country was occupied, Bin Laden went into hiding and then killed.

Both wars were won and objectives met.


> In Afganistan the country was occupied, Bin Laden went into hiding and then killed.

They are still occupied and Bin Laden was killed a decade ago, 2011 and nothing has changed in the country. What was the purpose for the war? I agree Bin Laden had a death sentence but he wasnt even in Afghanistan when he died, and then we stayed for 10 more years doing nothing. The US lost this war, negotiated retreat with the Taliban and they took the country back in a matter of weeks.

> In Iraq leadership was killed democracy installed and oil wells secured. Enemy turned into an ally.

Democracy is installed? Is it our oil now? Were there WMD's (the pretense for the entire war, based on the impressive intelligence capability of the US?). We lost this one too.


The oil contracts went to US firms. So yes you could say that. The WMD story tells you how the US got others to vote for the war at the UN not who won.

They chased him out of Afghanistan, killed him and dismantled his terrorist network. That was the purpose. There were no plans for America to make Afghanistan a state. You leave when you have no reason to be there. The war was 20 years ago.


By your definition maybe, but no one cares about that.


The wars had no win condition.




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