> How is it treason to support (as in cheer for not support military) a country in a war your country is not fighting?
Because geography?
Do you still not get that if Ukraine falls, those countries are next? Do you still not get that while Ukraine fights for its existence, its western neighbours are hoping all to god this gets resolved before it reaches them?
Do you still not get that Europe is sending billions of euros of military aid to Ukraine, so that the fight stays contained within Ukraine?
And do you still not get that the further this spreads, the higher the risk of nuclear war?
This isn't a game anymore. This isn't Keyboard Warrior Happy Time, where we all get together and meta-talk about a variety of fallacies on the news du jour that might happen years down the line.
People are fucking dying by the thousands, and if we don't stop it, it'll be by the millions.
The pandemic was nothing compared to what we're potentially facing if we fuck up.
Maybe the gas line should be closed off before German citizen are prosecuted by its elite for supporting Russia? I mean transferring huge amount of money helps the war effort more than Z-stickers. I guess the gov. decides what support is OK.
It is hilarious that some parts of Germany outlaws "Z" while at the same time giving weapons that will end up in the Azov regiment, which soldiers would be thrown in jail in Germany for wearing their nazi insignia. Like, Germany is for real arming neonazis in a foreign war.
But I guess I am the mad person for believing "the West" should not touch this war with a 10ft pole.
> It is hilarious that some parts of Germany outlaws "Z" while at the same time giving weapons that will end up in the Azov regiment, which soldiers would be thrown in jail in Germany for wearing their nazi insignia. Like, Germany is for real arming neonazis in a foreign war.
It's no more hilarious than the US paying lip service to democracy and then overthrowing whole foreign governments, or the US babbling about the First Amendment and then propping up theocracies in the Middle East. In fact, if anything, German actions are far less hypocritical, their scale considered.
Ok, so in your eyes, unless we can be absolutely perfect, we shouldn't do anything and let Ukraine get invaded and destroyed, and let Russia fuck around as much as they want to.
You're blaming others for thinking that position is utter madness?
It's not just Azov, there are plenty of other neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. One of them, for example, is Right Sector.
If you're claiming that these groups do not have an outsized influence on Ukraininan politics/institutions, explain to me how what happened in 2014 is possible.
After months of protests, the government reached an agreement with the 3 most important political parties from the opposition (which were representing something like 40% of the votes). Apparently this agreement didn't sit right for Right Sector activists, which by the way were not even in the parliament, and they straight up threatened an armed coup.
> Activist Volodymyr Parasiuk warned from the stage that if Yanukovych did not resign by 10:00 the next day, an armed coup would be staged.
Do you think that an extra-parliamentary group with explicit neo-Nazi ideologies would be allowed to override the parliament's will, by threatening to kill the president, in any other country?
By the way, this is not to say that all of Ukrainian are Nazis. But 20% of the population can obtain 80% of the impact, especially when they are very well armed and moved by a dangerous ideology.
EDIT: Funnily enough, Right Sector leader Yarosh also recently threatened to "hang Zelensky by a tree" if he "betrays Ukraine". Can you be absolutely sure that these people and these threats are not having an influence on peace negotiation talks?
Because geography?
Do you still not get that if Ukraine falls, those countries are next? Do you still not get that while Ukraine fights for its existence, its western neighbours are hoping all to god this gets resolved before it reaches them?
Do you still not get that Europe is sending billions of euros of military aid to Ukraine, so that the fight stays contained within Ukraine?
And do you still not get that the further this spreads, the higher the risk of nuclear war?
This isn't a game anymore. This isn't Keyboard Warrior Happy Time, where we all get together and meta-talk about a variety of fallacies on the news du jour that might happen years down the line.
People are fucking dying by the thousands, and if we don't stop it, it'll be by the millions.
The pandemic was nothing compared to what we're potentially facing if we fuck up.