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WhatsApp after that Facebook acquisition has simply become worse.

More buggy, more clunky, lists of useless features like "communities", Facebook like pages.

I will soon be leaving it and being exclusively on signal.



Plusses: better desktop app, dark mode, Meta AI, payments, multiple accounts, profile QR code.

Minuses: "communities", business spam, "channels"

I'd say meta did pretty well.


I don't know what communities on WhatsApp are or how they work; but my work partner is heavy on using WhatsApp and those communities / channels help him to organize his work. So I guess we are not the target audience for that one


I don't think they had any desktop or web app before they were acquired.


It's not like FB recently acquired WhatsApp.

The acquisition was 10-years ago (2014). Which is an insanely long time in tech.


The other day I was downvoted here for mentioning not being able to restore a local backup is bonkers. Many people like me lost years of chat history because they moved everything to Google Drive.

The "stories" feature is just plain stupid. It doesn't make any sense.

Also the "business" thing is you with an AI chatbot that just offers a crappy answer and you'll need to contact a human anyway.

One of the worst cases of software enshittification.


The stories feature is actually the most used stories product in the world (more than IG or Snapchat)


There is zero chance the whatsapp stories have more views than IG stories.


Maybe not in the US?


I can vouch for a large amount of usage in LATAM, people that won't bother with instagram (like older folks) eat it up, just swipe and you're watching your nephews birthday photos, just like Mr Facebook intended


> The other day I was downvoted here for mentioning not being able to restore a local backup is bonkers. Many people like me lost years of chat history because they moved everything to Google Drive.

I remember how it used to be impossible to migrate chat history from Android back to iOS.

It looks like the feature was only implemented some time this year (!):

https://www.androidauthority.com/whatsapp-chat-transfer-cros...


You’ll be very surprised if you saw internal dashboards for each feature usage.


I'm sure that's true, as that's how the company operates, but it's always a bit difficult to interpret. Meta has kind of been king of "this feature shows an amazing number of interactions", and large numbers of people seemingly genuinely hating it.


Those two things can both be true.

When one is judged on 'impact', but not judged on 'postive impact'... Having a lot of people interact with your feature and hate it counts.


> WhatsApp after that Facebook acquisition has simply become worse.

Integrating Meta AI was actually genius. I use it all of the time.


I use Messenger constantly and hate Meta AI when it tries to push itself on me thru Messenger.

For AI and search (50% use it for queries I'd otherwise previously used Google for) I use GPT... that is my AI / AI I use.

I do use Meta AI yet only through my Meta Ray Bans which are handy.


Really curious.. use it for what?


Aside from funny pictures, I rough out concepts for personal projects while commuting or on off time, mostly. It's pretty decent at rough calculations now, but even if you don't trust that, if you have a project in mind and you describe what you want to do, it can tell you what formulas and background knowledge you will need to flesh it out and you have the names that you can look up for further details. Really cuts down on research time and it's better time spent than scrolling memes.

Had an idea to add tracking to my alt-az telescope, asked Meta AI what I need to understand and it explains right ascension and declination and even provides the coordinate transformations needed (and even in a language that I specify). I can audit the code and have it write some unit tests that I also check, flesh it out a bit and I'm done.

That kind of thing.


Is this non available in Europe. I don't see any AI chat in my search bar. Running latest whatsapp on pixel 8a


They roll the feature gradually.


It's been available to me for months now, so that's either a slow rollout, or EU restrictions are responsible again.


Signal also adds random unwanted features, such as statuses.


Signal added Stories two years ago and they can be deactivated completely. I don't use them but fail to see the problem here. A reason for people to switch to Signal and a non-issue for everybody else.

https://signal.org/blog/introducing-stories/


The problem is that they will keep adding unwanted features, or features wanted by some shareholders.

One alternative is to switch to some open source protocol, like matrix.


Signal is a nonprofit; it does not have shareholders.

It does, however have a mission to bring secure communication to a large audience. That means it will add features it expects will expand the audience. I don't like stories in general (they're FOMO-driven engagement bait), but Signal having them doesn't meaningfully impact my ability to use it to message and call people.


Rubbish.

Signal has no shareholders and is a nonprofit, precisely so they don't have the wrong incentives.

Stories were added two years ago. There have been no "unwanted features" since, provided stories is an unwanted feature in the first place.


I read somewhere that Stories are essential to people in some parts of the world.


And signal still won't stop bugging me to enable notifications.

I cannot understand why they have such a notification when I don't want notifications.

Am I costing them money for not having notifications on?


I guess is someone messages you on Signal and you do not reply, or notice, it significantly damages Signal’s reputation with the person trying to reach you. They will give up using Signal and try to reach you in another way.


For the vast majority of people, not enabling notifications in a messaging app is a mistake in the sense of something they do want to do but failed to because they're bad at technology or just distracted, not in the sense of an ill-advised decision they made intentionally.


I feel like the sync solution with Whatsapp Web changed at some point - it stopped depending on your phone being online.


If you're actually part of a community like a run club, the communities feature is pretty nifty. It's the typical "I have no friends and thus am not using social media and don't want to integrate into social circles at all" HN response I guess.


> I will soon be leaving it and being exclusively on signal.

How do you do this if all your friends are on WA?


I don't have many friends.

It won't be hard to convince 5 people.

If I badly need to reach out, I will just make a normal phone call or text.


Actually WhatsApp used to break on new years eve because everyone was sending messages at the same time. FB fixed that




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