We got our very own US made Concentration camp:
Mass detention without due process.
Horrible surviving conditions without simple human rights.
Corporal and lasting mental punishments.
Made to intimidate and isolate a group of the population.
Administered by state paramilitary contractors.
I knew about those internment camps -- because they were widely recognized afterward as a stain on our national character, something never to be repeated.
And I knew about the hieleras[1] and about Guantanamo.
And about so many other instances in history, from so many governments.
But I hoped our arc would not be toward more people treated this way, more proudly. I hoped we would stop running so eagerly toward the poison.
It is quite difficult to get a lawyer visit or proof of life for a detainee, even if you have lawsuits being filed from outside and string-pulling from representatives.
There are also categories of prisoners who are being told by guards that they'll never get out, never see legal process or summary deportation, they will just rot in a cell indefinitely.
The evil ones are the people that put out the welcome mat for great caravans of immigrants, then looked the other way or even threw them out of their community when they arrived in their backyard.
Such people were great humanitarians when the immigrants were staying close to the border. That changed quickly when the first bus arrived at Martha’s Vineyard.
The truly evil ones are the NIMBY crowd, when they were the welcoming crowd for somebody else’s back yard.
Because we know who design, built and allowed this to happen
But your statement not only shifts the blame to some disconnected group, it absolves the only people with direct action from the guilt associated with it
The immigrants that were sent to Martha’s Vineyard were immediately escorted elsewhere, under care of the National Guard. ( Money can do those sort of things. )
The desire to house immigrants often seems to apply to locales removed from the ‘good people’ espousing the immigration.
The truly evil ones are the hypocrites that want to seem virtuous, but don’t want to do any of the messy part themselves. The people who realistically say they don’t want to make the necessary sacrifices are only being honest, not evil. It seems very few people really want a great bunch of immigrants in their own back yard.
Just as easy as you can live in a wealthy enclave, far from the messy logistics of processing immigrants while virtue signaling that the unfortunate hosts are bad people for saying ‘slow down’. The level of entitlement is appalling.
Just exactly where do you propose the immigrants should live? Designated places far from the nice, wealthy enclaves?
You're complaining about alleged hypocrisy of Martha's Vineyard finding places for people who were literally sent away from Texas as a political stunt. They were dropped off by one-way chartered flights, with no real destination, on an island with a small tourist economy where supplies basically arrive by boat. And then you're feigning outrage from the government having to get involved to provide them shelter and services!
There might have been a legitimate point if Tiny DickSantis had found them places to stay (paid or otherwise), but yet they were made to move on. But the only things you're demonstrating are your needs to stop being so gullible and to examine your own filter bubble.
Here is a speech about illegal immigration from President Obama. He describes the problems caused by excess immigration. He also describes how he was stepping up efforts to stop illegal immigration and to deport those already over the border.
Do you think Obama was wrong, and was he evil in your eyes? Remember, he used ICE exactly the same way Trump is using ICE. ICE leadership is even the same team Obama used.
It’s providing context. To understand DeSantis’ motivation, you have to understand the context.
Biden had sharply changed direction from what prior administrations had done, including Obamas. Biden did not only fail to secure the border ( he claimed only Congress could do that, which Trump definitively disproved ), but he even sold off materials being used to build the border. Remember the huge caravans of immigrants arriving and passing through the border? Governors of states most affected were doing their best to protect their constituents.
Biden would not listen to reason. He continued to defy precedent and logic ( again, completely reversing Obamas actions ). He needed a wake up call.
That’s why DeSantis did what he did. The people of Martha’s Vinyard played perfect stooges, using the National Guard to move the immigrants out of their back yard immediately.
Now for you. Was Obama evil for doing what every other president except Biden did? Were the people that voted for Obama evil?
Sorry no, you don't get to dredge up "context" of something bad someone else did to set an emotional stage of urgency for justifying another bad thing. That is how we get a race to the bottom where things keep getting worse and worse, as half of the useful idiots cheer it on at any given time.
FWIW I did not vote for Obama either time. If you want to talk about the evil things that he did, a much easier starting touchstone is the extrajudicial drone assassinations.
Also FWIW I don't have strong feelings on the actual immigration issue here! If people were being arrested in an orderly fashion based on good faith investigation per case, by officers with public identities and systems of accountability, given due process opportunity to possibly show they are a citizen or otherwise here legally, held in clean humane conditions, with all of this publicly documented to show the whole process was above board - I'd have very little problem! The problem is exactly the manner in which this is being done - masked paramilitary gangs wholesale assaulting civil society in American cities, using some God-knows-what dowsing rod app to scan people and declare them uncitizens (thereby not worthy of human rights), then being disappeared from interested people (eg family, attorneys), and held in concentration camps or shipped off to foreign countries. This destroys the rule of law and Constitutional rights for all of us. And if you really can't understand this, then you need a crash course in individual Liberty to get your head screwed on quick. The way I see it, the immigration issue is essentially just a pretext.
I don't understand the point in detaining immigrants indefinitely. If they're in the country illegally, they must be put on the first flight to their home country. If they're not illegal, they must be freed. No one needs to be detained for more than 48 hours. Their humanitarian and medical requirements must be fully met. Civilized countries do not allow for indefinite detention.
I think the prison complex has been benefiting hugely from it. Every extra day in detention is very rewarding for the entity behind the complex. Taxpayer money has to pay for it for now.
Remember how for decades Republican politicians would build grassroots support by talking about illegal immigration and employment, but then once they got into office they would do absolutely nothing about it? Think about it - have you finally persevered, "won", and gotten this policy position to the national stage? Or do you perhaps think the porous borders have finished serving their purpose (breaking unions and depressing labor in general), and now the corporate puppeteers are using the situation as an excuse to drive the next anti-Liberty con? Which explanation strokes your own ego? Which explanation fits the pattern of how this government actually operates?
Anybody who still thinks this is about immigration or the labor market is basically deluding themselves. The focus on illegal immigrants is merely being used as a pretext to justify an end-run around the Constitution, limited government, and basic human rights for all of us, period.
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