"death" can be pretty slow - IBM has $60B in revenue and 270K employees.

When Shakespeare wrote "cowards die many times before their deaths", he had Intel in mind.

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I really have no idea how IBM is still in business, or the other big toxic techs like Oracle and Salesforce. Just goes to show I don’t know as much about the industry as I think.

Oracle basically runs HR and finance services for like every large company in Europe. They also run a scary amount of healthcare stuff and other government tech type stuff.

It sucks but I see why they do it. If you don't have the technical/managerial talent to handle procurement then it's the safest bet.

They bought Red Hat, which has OpenShift and all their other "DIY Cloud" bits. This stuff is popular in government or old businesses that may have been slow to (or unable to for regulatory reasons) jump to AWS/GCP etc.

To say nothing of the banks and others still using the IBM big iron.

The American hyper scalers are not necessarily the place to be. Modern can mean Non-hyper scalar as well. Can this sentiment just die please? Great that its working out for you and you replaced good sysadmins with aws admins, but it should not be the default strategy perse.

Why does this read like a personal attack? Do you have anything in my comment to refute?

I didn't even use the word "modern."

I actually agree the traditional cloud providers have lots of issues and aren't always the right choice, but the fact remains that offerings from Red Hat and the like are far more popular with older larger corporations than startups or "household name" tech companies like X, Netflix, etc.

they’ve been partnering with nvidia to build large ML training clusters iirc last time i was in their building at a meetup a few weeks ago

IBM still sells mainframes and similar. And has a giant consulting and service business.

Their purchse of RedHat flows into consulting. Their purchase of Softlayer (rebranded into IBM Cloud) is more IBM owned, customer operated computing, a business IBM has been in since forever.

And their financial/stock performance has been pretty good the past couple of years.

> I’m wonder how much longer Intel will be around.

The government took an ownership stake in the company. Nvidia invested a few billion in the company. It's not going anywhere.

Intel is going nowhere.

They are a gov chosen winner, so it is a safe bet they will exist for as long as they are a useful political puppet. Why or how would they become more competitive?

Lindy[1] will make sure it stays around for a while.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect

Although you're correct that it would be too soon to prophesize their death, I want to clarify that Lindy ensures correlation, not causation.

Intel still sells a ton of silicon.