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Lots of words and weird analogies to say basically nothing.

What is the status of the project? What can it do? What has it achieved in 5 years?

But no, let's highlight how we follow the "Elon process".

As a side note, whenever someone incessantly focuses on lines of code as a metric (in either direction), I immediately start to take them less seriously.



Did we read the same article?

The third sentence is "The codebase is 18,935 lines not including tests." You can go to the repo and see what it does. Look at issues, PRs, etc. He wasn't saying it to brag about its size, but the opposite.

The mission is to commoditize the petaflop. Basically allow LLMs to be trained efficiently on commodity non-NVIDIA GPUs. Would you prefer some bullshit mission like Meta of "connecting people" or whatever the hell it is?

He said he has a hardware division that makes $2m a year. You can click on the link and buy a computer. He tells you the revenue.

He said he has a deal with AMD which is also public and on X.

The "Elon process" relies specifically to the goal of getting rid of all dependencies. Musk has spoken extensively about building things from the ground up and not relying on other vendors (in this example complex software dependencies). He says he wouldn't be able to build SpaceX competitively if he had just bought rockets or components.

I wish more people focused on public code and shipping publicly. Can I see Toyotas stack? Why does the touch screen perform worse than a 2012 iPad. What the hell is going on

I don't understand this hate someone like Hotz, a true engineer running an ambitious very open company, receives on a ... checks notes ... engineering forum? The whole setup is like a wet dream for engineers from a decade ago.

Almost completely open source

Interview is completing a paid bounty

CEO is engineer

Has a clear mission, goals, and timeline

What is your issue?


> The "Elon process" relies specifically to the goal of getting rid of all dependencies. Musk has spoken extensively about building things from the ground up and not relying on other vendors (in this example complex software dependencies). He says he wouldn't be able to build SpaceX competitively if he had just bought rockets or components.

That I cannot believe. He might have shifted the make-or-buy decisions, but both Tesla and SpaceX do a lot of outsourcing.


> That I cannot believe.

Note the "goal" there. SpaceX's only in flight explosion came after a strut (3rd party sourced) failed on S2, on the CRS-7 mission in 2015. They in sourced that, and haven't had many issues on ascent since then. They've also launched and landed some 500 rockets since then (165 this year) so ... at least they're walking the walk?


The Elon process is 100% dependency on government subsidies


Elon derangement syndrome at maximum. Tell me where Starlink funding is coming from?


from his kiddie porn website, keep defending him though


Using lines of code as a metric for productivity is bad. Using it to show how simple something is, or how a refactor removed x lines of code that doesn’t need to be maintained any more isn’t such a bad thing I’d say.


Yeah this is exactly right, if you can trust the contributors to not code-golf or otherwise Goodhart the LoC metric, then it's a reasonable measure of complexity.

It doesn't work as well when you start mixing languages, or generating code.


Less LOC also doesn't imply simplicity: just look at the demoscene, which often has the former but not the latter.


Demo scene or other competitions that aim at using little space / shortest way to achieve something are not really a good counter example.


TFA includes a time measurement though, and 5 years for 18'935 SLOC doesn't scream quite "how simple something is".


From [0]:

"When we can reproduce a common set of papers on 1 NVIDIA GPU 2x faster than PyTorch. We also want the speed to be good on the M1. ETA, Q2 next year."

[0] https://tinygrad.org/#tinybox


He was able to run nvidia gpu on mac via thunderbolt with tinygrad.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/tiny-corp-su...

Check tinygrad’s twitter account for specifics if you want to catch up on progress


making things less dumb is not a elon's process, if it's the case then we are saying everything that elon is not involved in/with is dumb !




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